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	<title>Comments on: Virgin Atlantic&#8217;s &#8220;Premium Economy&#8221; Class: Skip It.</title>
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		<title>By: askmrlee</title>
		<link>http://kellynford.com/2009/09/14/virgin-atlantics-premium-economy-class/#comment-520</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry you had a not so good experience, but don&#039;t be quick to dismiss all premium economy services. ANA and JAL&#039;s E+ services often INCLUDE their excellent business class lounges. For example, JAL&#039;s NRT lounge includes showers, table massage, hot buffet, full bar, kids play room (with fully padded mats like at a gymnastics school!). 

Note that with JAL, if you upgrade to E+ at the airport you won&#039;t get lounge access unless you purchased a full Y ticket. Both JAL and ANA offer the occasional E+ sale and two years ago, I paid $500 more than the discounted economy fare. Completely worth it, IMO to get the lounge access,  better comfort and amenities for the  21+ air hours plus ground time. Plus it was nice to have Dean &amp; Deluca vanilla ice cream and curry udon カレーうどん, as E+ snacks. Yeah the main meal was the same as economy, but still pretty good and much better than Untied economy.

Regarding the sky high fees and taxes, I take it this is your first trip to the UK in a while. This is purely the part of the British government which doubled the air travel taxes back in 2007 and increased the taxes again in late 2010.  These taxes are based somewhat on distance traveled by &quot;bands&quot; and taxes are nearly double on premium cabin travel vs. economy. Seems that premium economy is considered premium in the eyes of the UK government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry you had a not so good experience, but don&#8217;t be quick to dismiss all premium economy services. ANA and JAL&#8217;s E+ services often INCLUDE their excellent business class lounges. For example, JAL&#8217;s NRT lounge includes showers, table massage, hot buffet, full bar, kids play room (with fully padded mats like at a gymnastics school!). </p>
<p>Note that with JAL, if you upgrade to E+ at the airport you won&#8217;t get lounge access unless you purchased a full Y ticket. Both JAL and ANA offer the occasional E+ sale and two years ago, I paid $500 more than the discounted economy fare. Completely worth it, IMO to get the lounge access,  better comfort and amenities for the  21+ air hours plus ground time. Plus it was nice to have Dean &amp; Deluca vanilla ice cream and curry udon カレーうどん, as E+ snacks. Yeah the main meal was the same as economy, but still pretty good and much better than Untied economy.</p>
<p>Regarding the sky high fees and taxes, I take it this is your first trip to the UK in a while. This is purely the part of the British government which doubled the air travel taxes back in 2007 and increased the taxes again in late 2010.  These taxes are based somewhat on distance traveled by &#8220;bands&#8221; and taxes are nearly double on premium cabin travel vs. economy. Seems that premium economy is considered premium in the eyes of the UK government.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo Teixeira</title>
		<link>http://kellynford.com/2009/09/14/virgin-atlantics-premium-economy-class/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eduardo Teixeira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 01:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all know United sucks but United Business class is better than Virgin Premium economy. At least you can sleep like you are in a bed and there are more choices on the food. So, I don&#039;t understand all this hipe about Virgin. We always end up getting for what we paid. United business is more expensive than Virgin Premium. Virgin is just like United, it happens they don&#039;t offer business and United doesn&#039;t offer Premium economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know United sucks but United Business class is better than Virgin Premium economy. At least you can sleep like you are in a bed and there are more choices on the food. So, I don&#8217;t understand all this hipe about Virgin. We always end up getting for what we paid. United business is more expensive than Virgin Premium. Virgin is just like United, it happens they don&#8217;t offer business and United doesn&#8217;t offer Premium economy.</p>
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		<title>By: kellynford</title>
		<link>http://kellynford.com/2009/09/14/virgin-atlantics-premium-economy-class/#comment-180</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@penny: yup, you&#039;re right- much of my disappointment was undeniably due to unrealistic expectations.  Live and learn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@penny: yup, you&#8217;re right- much of my disappointment was undeniably due to unrealistic expectations.  Live and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny Arabiata</title>
		<link>http://kellynford.com/2009/09/14/virgin-atlantics-premium-economy-class/#comment-179</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not 100% sure you get the concept of &quot;Premium Economy&quot;.

As the name suggests it&#039;s an upgraded economy class, not a watered-down business class.

So, bigger/wider seats, larger screens, more legroom, dedicated washrooms etc but more-or-less Economy F&amp;B.

It&#039;s unfortunate that your expectations were of something &quot;fairly close to business class&quot; but they were, ahem, your own expectations.

The swing up screens in Economy are only found in rows where there are no seats in front.

And as for &quot;regular&quot; business configuration being 2-3-2 or 2-2-2, I do hope you one day fly Virgin Atlantic&#039;s anything-but-regular Upper (business) Class with its 1-1-1 or 1-2-1 configuration, flat beds, guest seats, sit-down bar, anytime dining, limo transfers, Clubhouse lounges.

Now that&#039;s something you be better off walking into with &quot;something like business class&quot; expectations.

Happy travels,

Penny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not 100% sure you get the concept of &#8220;Premium Economy&#8221;.</p>
<p>As the name suggests it&#8217;s an upgraded economy class, not a watered-down business class.</p>
<p>So, bigger/wider seats, larger screens, more legroom, dedicated washrooms etc but more-or-less Economy F&amp;B.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that your expectations were of something &#8220;fairly close to business class&#8221; but they were, ahem, your own expectations.</p>
<p>The swing up screens in Economy are only found in rows where there are no seats in front.</p>
<p>And as for &#8220;regular&#8221; business configuration being 2-3-2 or 2-2-2, I do hope you one day fly Virgin Atlantic&#8217;s anything-but-regular Upper (business) Class with its 1-1-1 or 1-2-1 configuration, flat beds, guest seats, sit-down bar, anytime dining, limo transfers, Clubhouse lounges.</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s something you be better off walking into with &#8220;something like business class&#8221; expectations.</p>
<p>Happy travels,</p>
<p>Penny.</p>
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		<title>By: kellynford</title>
		<link>http://kellynford.com/2009/09/14/virgin-atlantics-premium-economy-class/#comment-5</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t flown Virgin America yet but I&#039;ve heard very good things about them (and in fact I even came very, very close to taking a marketing job with them).  Note though that my post was about Virgin Atlantic, not Virgin America.  I&#039;m looking forward to trying Virgin America soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t flown Virgin America yet but I&#8217;ve heard very good things about them (and in fact I even came very, very close to taking a marketing job with them).  Note though that my post was about Virgin Atlantic, not Virgin America.  I&#8217;m looking forward to trying Virgin America soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodger Banister</title>
		<link>http://kellynford.com/2009/09/14/virgin-atlantics-premium-economy-class/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodger Banister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s too bad to hear. We flew Virgin America over Labor Day and really enjoyed the little differences between VA and other domestic carriers. I wrote about them here http://tiny.cc/45886]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s too bad to hear. We flew Virgin America over Labor Day and really enjoyed the little differences between VA and other domestic carriers. I wrote about them here <a href="http://tiny.cc/45886" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/45886</a></p>
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